Truth and Why’s: Who Holds The Aces In The Smart Meter Game / Void Alleged ‘Late Payment’ Notices and ‘Meter Estimates’ Letter


They say that hind sight is 20/20.

Sometimes it is that we need to look back to get a better idea of just how far we have come.

Part of the purpose of doing this post is going to be just that.

The other part is for you to see just where the power lies and as stated in the post title who holds the Aces in this game.

Without having to nail things down to exact dates we can easily remember a few key points in this meter mess that BC Hydro, their Liberal cronies and their Corporate cronies have tried to push on you. Of course they forgot to build one thing into the equation… you remembering you are not a number, you are not going to be pushed around, oppressed and exploited.


A few years ago when this started (yes it’s been that long!) do you remember them in the press or in notices using languages like “Smart Meters are mandatory, all customers MUST get a smart meter”

Then, magically, there was a ‘delay’ list and it was stated ‘We will be talking to those customers and addressing their concerns on a one by one basis’ Of course we know this meant harassing phone calls, ‘visits’ by crony installers that did minimal training for commission based speed installs and piles of letter and notices, none with any concern for the customer just to get that meter on ASAP.

Then, they played a trick where some on the delay list came home to a smart meter. Because, well, they said for all intents and purposes ‘you just DELAYED your CONSENT (key word right there) to a later date. Of course we immediately were warning people to not go on this list, knowing this would happen.


Around this time is when the original first drafts of the COR came out for Hornby Island private owners. It was a very telling time for our little group (little at the time but not anymore!) The talk in the papers and to the private owners was BC Hydro was coming in guns blazing and everyone was getting a meter as soon as they could get it together and get the trucks on the ferry.

BUT, something happened. They received PILES of COR notices (FIND THEM HERE) and the ‘sure thing’ was put on hold. At that time, even the ‘spokespersons’ for BC Hydro said “I don’t know what happened”  Well, that’s right you don’t, but someone does, they just did not tell you! Then and there, the door was opened.


Then a bit later, due to the original COR being a bit of a rush job as certain parties only came along near that time, we had time to create a newer, better COR and not just for Hornby but for EVERYONE in BC! (FOUND HERE)

Remember the word CONSENT.

We know BC Hydro did eventually take their time and did eventually go install on houses there who did not use the COR or gave CONSENT in some capacity when the waters got a little rougher. Many people will act ‘tough’ and at the slightest tap on the shoulder crumble to the ground and accept whatever oppression is coming. Lucky for us, there are so many of you out there that did not and do not fall into this category. Many of these are the same who will then later complain about the very situation they could have chose to stop!

It seems this little quote here applies:

“Never stand begging for that which you have the power to earn.” 


Then we had lots of people, the first group really, sending the COR and then NOD (after 30 days) as the COR came out in OCT of 2013. Perhaps BC Hydro felt our numbers were to small. So they decided to up the ante. After it seemed like all was well, the decided to wait until just after the holidays (remember they love this time) January 4th to be exact, when they mailed out  their “TIMES UP, NO MORE DELAYS, YOU MUST TAKE A SMART METER’ Notices.

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Talk about stirring the hornets nest! (by hornets I mean YOU!) Traffic to the site exploded people were sending off the COR’s in droves, then ‘magically’ 2 weeks later, the installations stopped. People postured and said ‘its the elections’ and we said ‘Really, there were elections coming 2 weeks ago, so that makes no sense, if that was the case, why would they send those “TIMES UP” notices just weeks before, doesn’t make sense’ and of course that “Hmmmm this really seems like a carbon copy of what happened on Hornby, only on a much bigger scale”
Then this theory went around that some of the MLA’s piped up, or that if we ‘just wrote to them, or called their offices, things would change”  We said “Um, no, that is not either, these are the same MLA’s who rammed the laws through, who did not give a damn for the last couple years, why did they magically care now?” We also noted, this is simply giving your power away to the very entities so happy to take it from you.

Then we learned that indeed they were STILL installing meters on peoples homes, after saying they were not going to in the paper for those who DID NOT GIVE CONSENT. 



We watched as people said “I had a sign up and everything and they still installed” or “I told them on the phone” or ” I told the installer last time he was here I did not want one”  The agents of BC Hydro and the Government were clever to say this and we asked people to look into whether by some other means, they did indeed GIVE CONSENT via the use of ‘other documents’ on the internet  or their own ‘homemade’ documents and this was why we specifically told people to NOT combine the documents on this site with others out there. SEE HERE


Every time we dug deeper into what happened, it was never the COR /NOD people that got a meter and still to this day, unless some sort of CONSENT was provided AFTER starting or doing the COR, NONE of the COR people have gotten a meter. Yet, to this day, we know they are installing meters on people’s homes who did not use the COR. If you even a small pulse on the smart meter situation in BC, you know this is true.


Then month after month went by. Why did this happen?  This is a textbook classic pre-determined method to make the public collapse. The ol’ ‘hit ‘em where it counts, in the wallet’ technique.



So, they came up with the “Meter Choices Program” because they were bluffing, they had nothing, so they were looking for one more technique to get CONSENT from…. YOU!

Don’t you find that interesting? CONSENT.

Don’t you find it odd that big bad BC Hydro took MONTHS to try and deal with a ‘few pieces of paper you sent in?’ CONSENT.

Don’t you find it interesting that so many people out there were telling you these ‘pieces of paper’ and the techniques behind them had ‘no merit’ and ‘will get you in trouble’? And yet here we are today. More fear tactics to keep you away from your power.

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Many were told to ‘write to or email or call the BCUC’ which of course was the group who was written out of the entire process long ago. Well, this gave them CONSENT on behalf of the PUBLIC to create the ORDER IN COUNCIL #391 and this is why we asked you NOT to write to the BCUC because this very act would GIVE THEM THE AUTHORITY to do the Order in Council #391!

So this happened and they ‘approved’ the fee schedule because the ‘public outcry’ ( letters and complaints) allowed them to ‘look into and deal with the concerns of the public’ Some may say this is not the reason, well, look at the timing, it is exact and precise.

Of course we know it was all by design, because if it took them months to come up with the Meter Choices Program, (MCP) then how did it take literally ZERO time to approve the Order in Council #391? …. Think about that for a second.


Well, we at least know who DID NOT do the above!

Of note this is what forced you into so much work of having to send documents to the BCUC and the LGIC. Also of note is the CONFIRMATION of the validity of our process by the Lieutenant Governor herself! (SEE HERE)

Then, of course because BC Hydro is the “Authority” and this is all on the up and up, clean, legitimate, law, mandated… they needed to send everyone more “TIMES UP” notices (this time in BIG BOLD SCARY RED LETTERS and also with bonus feature of a BIG STOP WATCH on there to ‘scare’ you) then they sent what…3, 4, 5 of those to do more scaring.

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Of course we are  not scared of stop watch graphics on envelopes, NOT sent registered mail, with un ‘approved’ fees and so on in them. Red colour itself is a mind game. It is well known that RED is  a colour used to create urgency, fear, ever notice that most if not all of your fast food places have red in their signs?

And just why would they do that? CONSENT, to get one little tiny thing from you… CONSENT.

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Are you starting to realize who holds the ACES in this game?



Now does it make sense WHY they sent piles of notices and unlike some others asking you to ‘consent’ to the MCP in one fashion or another, we showed you WHY and how to send them back and what KEEPING them literally meant ACCEPTANCE and for the most part CONSENT?  SEE HERE Is there any wonder why people who did not use our docs and have not paid the ‘fees’ are getting metered to this day?

Then of course we saw on the MCP notices they were ‘accidentally’ leaving out “BC” in the part of the form you were to mail back stating your CONSENT to the MCP! We warned about this  while it was completely ignored by the rest, because this was very important and was a BIG tell in this game.

Recall that in the past they have CHANGED ACCOUNT NUMBERS, put MR. or MRS. etc. in front of names and all kinds of ‘anomalies’ on  billing statements and notices. Are these the techniques of an organization that is in TRUTH? Are these the moves of an organization that is in HONOUR or DISHONOUR? Finally, are these the moves of a group of entities that have “POWER AND AUTHORITY”? Think about that.


Then in the barrage of MCP notices, they were changing the words at the bottom or in between or anywhere on the notices. Do you recall EVER something like this happening in the History of BC? Imagine a creditor or someone sending you 5 notices in a span of a few weeks? WHY oh WHY? Remember they were playing their cards on the ‘stress’ of the holidays.

They were trying to wait until you got fattened up and most stressed to pick on you. Do not kid yourselves to think the timing ‘accidentally’ landed on this period 2 YEARS IN A ROW. They cold heartedly decided to pick on you at the exact time you should be enjoying time with friends co-workers and family. Good for you for sticking up for yourself!

Then, from one act to the next they were changing the meanings, definitions and more of many of the words they were citing as their ‘authority’ that they MUST install the meters! We pointed this out IN the COR/NOD/BCUC Notice and in our ‘educational posts’ on the site. (located on the left hand side of this blog)


Now we present to you this analogy. They want to take the poker pot, without showing you their hand. Now, they are putting “PAST DUE” or “LATE PAYMENT” on their bills/notices they send you. BUT, now we are hearing, they don’t even know if they can really do that, and they are waiting for the previously neutered BCUC to ‘enact’ these ‘pre-emptive but not really real unauthorized late fees’ sometime around June. (stall tactics because they have no consent)

But for now, you MUST pay them or maybe be disconnected?  CONSENT.


Truth is, they are missing one ACE in the deck and that ACE is…. YOU!


The power lies in YOU!  Not them.

Otherwise, if you go back through your mind, or the above written, just why oh why would they have to do all the stuff they had to do to get you to take the meter?

Now, WHAT IS THE KEY ELEMENT in this whole mess that they still haven’t taken? If you guessed meter, that it close for sure. But to get that meter… what do they need? YOU! and why do they need you? CONSENT!

Ironically, we have a powerful movie in our little ‘movement’ Called TAKE BACK YOUR POWER. Of note is the same people who made that film will say it is just as much to simply not give it away in the first place!

This has been a beautiful process for us to see the power we really have. I like to call us an ‘individual collective’

GOVERNMENT IS BY CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED… I am sure you have heard this before.  While statements are nice, to see them in action is HUGE for all of us.


We can see globally the people are tired of socialist oppression, theft, graft, corruption and all the rest. NONE of this will or would go away of the ‘governed’ did not or do not stand up. Pick a country now, or for the next few years even, you will watch this unfold before your eyes and if you did not know it, you are a part of it right now and have been for some time!

I/we really want you to be proud of all the steps you have taken. I/we do not know when this will end. I/we can assure you that with you this can work, this has worked, we saw it for Hornby and now BC wide. This is co-incidence only that there is 2 making the ‘co’ and ‘incidence’ that they were virtually identical. We are doing something powerful. YOU ARE SOMETHING POWERFUL! While it may take some time and effort, we are beyond clicking our mouse for some of the dozens of petitions that come to our mailbox. And in saying that… do you or do you not have a meter yet? We are beyond complaining at dinner parties. We are beyond being nickel and dimed to our graves. We are beyond CONSENTING to every whim of the oppressors. We are beyond believing that we need to be in fear, that we are without power. WE ARE ACTION, we are not Beggars to those that oppress us. We do not beg for our inherent rights from those that wish to take them, we CLAIM OUR RIGHTS.


We have moved beyond, we know WE are the power, we are the numbers. They have used emotions of fear to us and greed for them. Systems built on this ALWAYS fail one way or another. We are exploding into our power, they are imploding into their weakness. They use fear and negativity as their emotional ploy, we are beyond that, we are positive, we are not numbers for exploitation we are the power and ALL power rests in the people.

Witness it before you, it is happening, you do not need to see it, or choose to believe it, but it is there. We must continue to realize this.


Their hand is weak and YOU are strong.

Keep that in mind at all times!

Now, here are the PDF’s for ‘what to do’ In them, we have provided some more education for you. We do recognize it has taken some time for us to get this out, but just as we seemed to be done sometimes, we would get some new questions and felt it best to get it all into one document vs release 3-4 of them over time. I do want to say also that we do intend to switch gears a bit and help those of you who have a Smart Meter already to get it off. Note that we (as urgent as things are) sort of needed to let the above unfold the way it did.

We have seen groups state ‘once you get a smart meter you will never get it off’ We don’t see it that way, if you give up and give your power away, remain in fear… of course you have CONSENTED to that statement being true, you have by thought and word consented to being a slave. This is not in our blood. We believe this time has past, perhaps not for everyone, but for enough and the rest will follow.

I realize this may be a bit long in the tooth, but I felt it was time to look back on how far we have come to get a better idea of our future… and it is just that… our future, determined by US not them!


 - Note, not every question will apply to you, so please read through and find the ones that apply to your situation, this will also help you get an idea of what is going on out there, especially for you brave souls that are helping others or have taken a leadership role to help people.









































How To VOID ‘PAST DUE’ Notices From BC Hydro

As you will see in the PDF below, we have completed the instructions for you.

We want to be clear that this does not mean that they will not send you another, or even a few others of these or some other type of bill/notice etc. Recall that they have been doing this for some time. They are fully aware that it does not take much for them to press a button on a computer and send out these types of billing statements/notices.

They are of course counting on you not feeling your freedom is worth more than $35 a month, or that you will sacrifice your freedom, health, integrity of your household electrical grid, privacy. I am sure if you are even remotely paying attention you are seeing what is happening in Ontario where Smart Meter bills are skyrocketing. I am sure you, like us, have been hearing the buzz of people getting huge bills with smart meters and some without. Whether they are on equal payments, automatic payments or whatever arrangement.

As we have been explaining for nearly 3 years now (yes, it has been that long) that this would happen and this time would come. A time that we need to decide… in all reality… our future.

They are counting their chickens right now. They are looking at you as a commodity, that can be coerced in any fashion so as to obtain consent. The very reason they are doing all this is because they know this is what they need to get from you.

We are extremely pleased that so many of you have been figuring this out. This is also part of why we have been doing our best to educate you on the myriad of subjects from both angles (ours and theirs).

I sometimes get the feeling that some of you feel as if some people have given up on this, and perhaps you feel every so close to the same. Fortunately, I/we at this blog have a totally different perspective.

Why are there STILL people doing the Group A, B, C documents? Why are more and more people signing up to the blog? Why are more and more people asking to get put on my email list? Why is the blog approaching 100 000 visitors?

Of course I am not going to sit here and tell you no one has thrown in the towel. A huge pile of people didn’t even hold the towel from the start and there have been a few along the way that gave up at various stages.

But to those that have not, we are very proud. For those that have recently done the documents, did the documents for others, did workshops for 3, 10, 20, 50 people… province wide… we are very proud.

So, as is always the case, it is up to you to decide your future. Pay a slight bit of attention, you will see what continues to happen. While the arrogant BC Hydro Execs, their Political Slaves and big money men get ready to light their cigars, they have no idea that they are going to instead ignite a revolution and in fact already have.

What do you think will become of this province when an additional 9% is taxed onto your bill on April 1st 2014?

IF ever you were worried about your pension being able to cover your bills with the $35 added on, this is nothing compared to the total scam that these thugs have attempted to set in motion to steal your ENTIRE pension.

Are you going to sit back and watch the foot traffic at your small business dry up because people are clutching their wallets in fear of their next Hydro bill?

Are you going to watch your neighbour lose his business because ALL disposable income is evaporating and being transferred to the liars and thieves in office using YOU to pad their pensions and shareholder value.

These are the penetrating questions you need to answer at this time.

What about when you look into your children or grandchildren’s eyes? If your future is not worth it, isn’t theirs?

These people will NEVER stop, they are diseased and you are their host. Ever thought of the next stage in their greedy little plans? What if you do not decide enough is enough?

As we will soon lay out even more as we have been for some time on this site, they are attempting to steal everything, to re-write and re-shape law itself strictly and solely to maximize legal theft of EVERYTHING.

The only problem is… THEY NEED YOUR CONSENT. THIS IS WHY THEY ARE HAVING TO DO ALL THEY DO… the order in council #391, the ramming this through in the legislature, the back room deals, the lies, the deceit… everything.


Wouldn’t it make sense if they were operating in truth that NONE of what they have been doing would have happened?

Why would they send 3-6 notices between October and Christmas of 2013?

Scare tactics by thugs wanting to fear you into consent.

They have revealed something big here, it is not just that they fully need you it is the weakness of their hand and perhaps one of the biggest bluffs in the history of mankind.

They have also revealed that YOU have the power in this battle and it is not so much about taking it back, it is about realizing that your power exists.

We look forward to bringing you some more insights into what they are doing, but for now, we give you this in order to take the next steps in affirming your power.

The document pdf below is only for those who have completed the NOFD-BCH, NOFD-LGIC, CN,BCUC and Refusal Statement.

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Core of the COR… What You Did, What It Means, Where We Stand.

“Do we need to keep ‘recalculating’ our BC Hydro bills and sending  them back every time we get a new billing statement?”

Have you been asking us, or yourself this very question?

This post is being made to help those that have done the COR/NOD process (SEE HERE)  – those who have not – people who already received a smart meter – people in other provinces/states – people using different methods to keep smart meters off – and so on.

Many have not  reached a full understanding of the process they have undertaken. The main reason  is that there was simply not a lot of time  or resources to  post explanations, because we  focused on ‘what to do’ rather than ‘why  it was being done’

What is good,  is that now you are quite familiar with the processes  and if not, you can use the PDF linked below as a means to better understanding the process. Either way, we believe this will help. You will learn more about what you did AND gain more insight into just what BC Hydro, BCUC, Political Parties (yes, all of them) the Lieutenant Governor in Council, Attorney General and more have done.

This will also explain as well why it is not necessary to ‘rebut’ every bill that BC Hydro sends you with the most recent process  posted on this site (HERE)

You will see step by step the laws laid out for you, how we have come to the conclusions we have, why BC Hydro has nothing to stand on and so much more.

To me, this is one to read, perhaps a couple times so it can all sink in or ‘click’ for you.

So regardless of where you are in BC (or beyond) and regardless of what you did to try and stop the smart meter installation at your property, we have pointed out a lot and most specifically so those that used the COR/NOD etc. process can understand better.

Enjoy, we sincerely hope you do! (Click on the link below)

 Strange Anomalies in BC Hydro Billing Statements

 Also, when you are done reading the above, please come back and look at this for more insights.

What follows are two separate “EXAMPLE BILLING STATEMENTS” (see pdf below) which create two separate scenarios while using examples of two separate anonymous customers of BC Hydro. Each one shows their billing statements as well as illustrating what each customer has had to endure since the onset of the implementation of this alleged Legacy Meter Charge and its alleged GST.

One of the exampled customers is on a BC Hydro monthly equal payment billing plan, while the other exampled customer is not.



Some people asked if we could develop a way for people to keep track of their billing statement payments vs alleged legacy meter charges/GST. The “REFUSAL RECORD-KEEPING SHEET” (see pdf below) will allow you to fill in all of the important details from your own BC Hydro billing statements.

The “REFUSAL RECORD-KEEPING SHEET” has editable text boxes. You can type directly into the text boxes and then save a working copy on your hard-drive; print out a copy for your files; or print out a copy to fill in by hand.

Required Documents and Instructions to VOID ‘Legacy Meter Fees’ Billing Statements

In this post you will find the required information/documents/instructions on how to VOID the alleged “Legacy Meter Fees” and associated taxes.

Also in the provided PDF’s there is educational material which offers some detail on just where we are at, why and how we got here, what BC Hydro has been doing and a few other things. This is to help you get a better idea of the big picture and to understand a bit more about just what you are doing and perhaps helping others with also.

It has always been an objective of ours to shed more light on the lawful procedures at this website. At times it can be challenging because of what BC Hydro, the BCUC, Lawmakers, the Lieutenant Governor in Council and more are doing. Therefore, most often we are in a position where providing the ‘technique’ for dealing with BC Hydro etc. gets first priority.

We appreciate your patience and understanding on this and at the same time are very excited that many of you want to understand more about both what YOU are doing and what “they” are doing, how and why.

Sometimes it is helpful to use common examples and scenarios as we have previously done on this website before to show just what we are saying is correct. Also to display that in reality, what we are doing (besides smart meters being new to BC) is quite common.

Really, someone is offering and someone is potentially accepting.

Have you ever entered into buying (or sell) a home?  Or have you ever rented? Where one is making an offer and the other is potentially accepting that offer?

Think of it this way. When you are going to buy a home, there is something called ‘subjects’. As in, you will buy the home SUBJECT to  X, Y and Z stipulation(s) / request(s) being  fulfilled / agreed to by 2 parties to agree (ACCEPT) the terms, with full disclosure.

There is a ‘meeting of the minds’ and the 2 parties agree, and this is done verbally, then of course with signatures being the required PROOF there was an agreement. Note as well, that in all these types of situations, everyone gets a copy of everything for their records, to keep in their files etc. Also, that all parties are notified of the ‘agreement’ or ‘mutual acceptance’ between the 2 parties. This is the same if the ‘buyer’ goes for a loan. The interest rate, amount borrowed and terms are all laid out. The 2 parties agree, the documents are made, with copies for both parties and they move forward with signatures if not, nothing happens.

So the Seller may present terms like: “$350 000 for the house, no repairs, as is, take it or leave it”

Then the Buyer will may counter with terms like: “340 000, you fix the roof, new windows, new washer, dryer, new carpet”

Common sense, the law, ethics… everything says that this can absolutely go back and forth with any imaginable term being proposed at any time.

There is also of course “DISCLOSURE” as in, it would have to be known that the roof leaks, if it does, and other things like that. This is generally where an inspector comes in of course.  However this is one of those issues that if ‘withheld’ can be an issue for the Seller. Think of this part like the “STATEMENT OF TRUTH” aspect, that we are looking for from BC Hydro, but they are not providing.

So the two parties are really saying “We agree that you have told us the truth, this house is not dangerous, in good repair, we should not have a reasonable fear for our safety and so on”

But would it ever make sense that the Seller could just simply say “You must buy this house today, we don’t have to disclose anything, we will set the price, there is no negotiation at all, we don’t need a signature, you don’t need to see our signature, we can hide fraud and fatal defects in the integrity of the house, we can change the ‘deal’ at a later time, without warning or notice”

Or would it make sense if the bank could just suddenly add or subtract years on the mortgage, increase the borrowing rate etc. without consent / acceptance (with signatures), to the terms?

Could your landlord just completely violate your lease agreement (terms, consideration, meeting of the minds, signature) and raise your rent or kick you out if you did not pay for what you did not agree to?

Does that make any sense at all?

Is that how things work? 

No, of course not, and in reality, if we look at what BC Hydro etc. have done, they are really doing the same, and they have no right to do it at all. Otherwise, they would not be bullying, changing the rules, changing terminology, lying, de-frauding and more to try and make this alleged ‘legal’ “mandate” happen.

Now you understand, the lies, the bullying, the changing of terms or making them up as they go, the threats, the coercion… everything. BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT ACCEPTANCE, and they are doing everything they can think of to get you to accept.

In the end, what does this mean? You are holding all the Aces in this hand! It also shows to us that they, by their actions are NOT the “Power and Authority” Instead, that distinction  belongs to you and I the PRIVATE OWNERS of our property, which does include… our signature, our consent, our approval… our acceptance under terms that are safe, with lies, harm and all the rest.

Something to think about when you read the PDF and reflect back on what you have been doing, the idea really is just about the same.

Now, regarding the instructions. If you are one of those people who likes to ‘look ahead’ at the steps in the instructions when you get there, please go ahead. The best thing to be able to get this done, is to just follow the steps one by one and you will get it right. There are some slightly different things you have to do, but not a whole lot. Really you are referring them back to some things you have already done, not accepting their ‘offer to charge you an alleged fee’ and doing it in a manner by which you have proof you have not ‘accepted their offer’


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“Legacy Meter Fees” Update #2 / Meter Photos

Hi Everyone,

We had anticipated being done a bit earlier regarding the Default reply’s to the BC Hydro and LGIC Notice of Fatal Defect –  to BC Hydro’s attempt at charging people an alleged “Legacy Meter Charge”.

That said, we anticipate being done this shortly.

For now, you can pay the total of your electricity usage on your BC Hydro bill, which is in accordance with your original contract with BC Hydro – until we complete our response.

Doing so will NOT void your default and lawful claim of right process you have accomplished so far. 

This post is for those who have used the Claim of Right, Notice of Default etc. located HERE   only.  

Remember, YOU have them in ‘Default’ for not rebutting your “statements of truth”, which did validate and confirm your statements, terms and conditions.


Also note, many of you have received a reply letter from the Lieutenant Governor’s private secretary stating that Her Honour requested that her secretary forward your NOTICE OF FATAL DEFECT directly to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General “Suzanne Anton” who is also a member of the Executive Council as well as an elected member of the Legislative Assembly.

Within that letter of reply, were a lot of great things for us.


In researching and understanding what needs to be done, time is required and at times, when we are digging around we find more things to use – with perhaps a discovery of even more of their trickery.

Thus our choice is really to get something done right and we are pretty sure that you would agree to get it done right, even if it takes a bit longer – especially at this stage.


The easiest thing to do is get out a calculator to determine the alleged charge plus tax amount of the alleged “Legacy Meter Charge”.

We cannot give an exact alleged total, because for many, this has been allegedly ‘pro-rated’ over X amount of days.


You could pay the total of your electricity usage online (less the alleged “Legacy Meter Charge plus its tax portion”) by cheque, at the bank, or other… pretty much all the ways you may have used before.

As said, we do not know the exact charge on every bill in BC for the alleged “Legacy Meter Fees” but we do know it varies, so we cannot state “Pay X Amount” because it varies. We hope you can look at your bill and do some simple math and figure this out.
No one method of payment is better or worse than the other.
We would also like to mention, that several Hydro customers on automatic payment plans have contacted us, to let us know they were not charged by BC Hydro (on their automatic payment plan) for any alleged “Legacy Meter Charge”, even though the alleged fee appeared written on their printed bill. We believe this validates the fact that BC Hydro knows they are not lawfully or legally able to violate your Claim of Right notices, to charge such a fee without your consent.


We will be posting shortly on what we hope will be our final solution.

We also suggest you start taking pictures of your meter AT LEAST once a month so you can at least have something to have IF or WHEN your bill shows any subtle or large increases as some have been seeing. Otherwise you have nothing to dispute against what they have done, by accident, on purpose or otherwise. Perhaps put a note on your calendar now at the end or sometime during the month to remind yourself, or do it each time you receive your BC Hydro Bill.


‘Legacy Meter Fees’ / Documentation

Hello Everyone,
We have been getting many emails from people regarding the fact that they received 
their most recent bill from BC Hydro.
We are aware that many of you have had substantial increases in your billing, even though
you still have your analogue meter.
That said, many of you are telling us your bills are basically in line with what you believe
your usage was this year or at least in comparison to last year.
As you may have seen in the most recent post on the site posted a couple weeks back regarding ‘how
many analogues are left in BC, there are many combinations as to why your bill may be way off from 
last year or normal monthly usage including, ‘estimated billing’ meter reading errors and much more
or any combination thereof.
Therefor, we cannot speak to every instance as to why this may have happened to you and your account(s)
We do know that many have received their newest bill and it includes a “Legacy Meter Charge”
On some people’s bills this is a flat out fee of $35. On others it is pro-rated, or has been pro-rated at numbers
from a few dollars and some closer to $35 or more. This is likely dependant on your billing cycle and where that falls into line with what BC Hydro is ‘trying to do.’
Regarding this, we will be updating shortly as to what to do on this matter. We have seen documentation that has been sent in the recent past where BC Hydro has stated that ‘accounts past due over 21 days will be considered deliquent’ or similar to this statement.
Thus, we do wish it to be that we have something done quickly for you and do believe that will be the case.
The probability is very high that this will not be overly difficult to do as far as a ‘next step’ is concerned.
At the very least, it will be much easier than some of the steps we/you had to take in the past.
At this time, we want to remind people that if they have NOT sent off their “NOTICE OF DEFAULT” to BC Hydro (mostly people in group C) then they should be doing this now, if it is that 30 days have past from the time you sent the other documents that can be found HERE
Also at this time it is a great idea to make sure you have your documents in order. In fact, this is ALWAYS something you should be doing as we have said many times. 
If you have not printed off your Certificates of Delivery from Canada Post, you will ABSOLUTELY want to do this ASAP as these do not stay online forever.
You can do so HERE by entering your tracking numbers that were on your Registered Mail Sticker(s)
If you have not sent back the “XpressPost” Notice,
you MUST do that now. CLICK HERE to go to instructions on how to do this.
As said, we are hopeful to have documents and instructions completed in the very near future
regarding the “Legacy Meter Fee” and will post that at the site when it is available.
The fastest method of delivery for this will be when you go to the FOLLOW button 
on the left hand side of the blog and sign up to follow the blog, if you have not already.
Take Care and we will update soon enough.

How Many Analogue Meters Are REALLY Left In BC???

Hi Everyone,

 I had an interesting chat with the meter reader today at our house.

 Before I get into it, I will try to cover some questions people have been asking.

We do not know who is getting meter readers to come to their house, who is on ‘estimated’ billing on any type of ‘estimated’ equal payment plan, who has recently had meter readers but now may not and so on.

 There are a lot of variables out there right now. I have had a lot of you saying…

“I didn’t get my bill yet, normally they send it to me do you know what is happening”


“I am on automatic payments and they have not taken the money out yet”

or, mostly because of the above…

 “I called BC Hydro about my bill…. the agent on the phone said X Y Z reason(s) why I don’t have my bill yet”

 To date, out of all the emails regarding ‘what the agent said’ there does not seem to be any rhyme or reason to what the agents say or to people that call about these questions.

Therefor, it makes it very hard to try to make a conclusion or definitive statement as to what is going on. This is also trying to consider all the variables like ‘estimated billing’ or ‘equal payments’ etc.

We don’t know what they are going to do about the “FEE” they think they will charge us. Maybe they have a plan or are going to roll something out? Maybe they are stunned at what is going on with so much resistance? Who knows. Neither party has been down this road before.

What we can say we know for sure is… Everyone against smart meters have made an absolute mess for BC Hydro and they probably really have no idea what is going on either!

To think, as of right now, they have people who:

Have a smart meter that is not activated and still needs to be read

Have an analogue meter and refused the smart meter at some point

Consented to a “Radio-Off” meter

People who are in Group A, B or C and in various stages of that (mostly new people in group C coming on)

People who signed the MCP to pay the fee or get the radio off meter  but are now using our documents, which everyone can STILL use to this day:   (SEE DOCUMENTS HERE)

People in rural areas that do not have smart meters at all because of logistical problems

People with commercial and residential accounts with any of the above variables.

(any or all of the above on the already mentioned ‘equal payment’ or ‘estimated billing’)

And likely more that I can’t think of at the moment.

Sounds like a bit of a mess doesn’t it?   FANTASTIC!

Sometimes I almost wonder in their attempt to create a bigger mess for us if they haven’t in fact done the same for themselves?

Some of of you out there that have been more involved with this mess for some time will recall what I am about to say now.

Some of you go for walks in your neighbourhood, or drive to other towns or go to other peoples houses. I know I do.

That being said… were any of you ever so slightly puzzled by the numbers BC Hydro and the bought and sold media were telling over the last few months?

I am not talking about the soon to be debunked ‘Everybody but 13 000 people “BOWED DOWN” to BC Hydro” CBC article that came out a couple weeks back. I am talking about the…

“180 000 people left with old meters”

then days later

“150 000 people left with old meters”

then magically, it was the next day

“120 000 people with old meters left”

Now, what was interesting to me is this. I happen to drive up the hill in town everyday to go to work (well not now, but I used to back when this was going on)

I can look down at the ‘yard’ (Mission Flats Road) where they park all the Corix trucks. Normally I could drive by there and no matter what time of day there would at least be a couple of the trucks…   but there were none.

Then as I proceeded up the hill what did I see?

A transport truck hauling away 6 or 8 corix trucks!

Why does this matter?

Well because a day or 2 later it was a massive change from “120 000″

“60 000 people left with analogue meters”


What I found most interesting was that when I went to walk/drive around the same places I do… nothing had changed all the people with the analogues still had them.

So what really happened? Well, in my opinion, psychological warfare nothing more, nothing less.

Remember, the media is most often the best weapon in war.

Do not kid yourself that BC Hydro did not think of the ’13 500 people with analogue meters left’ media blast EXACTLY at the time you (or anyone else) was returning their MCP documents or standing up to BC Hydro in some capacity. 

Do not kid yourself that BC Hydro would have timed ALL of this activity to be right in line with your holidays.

Think: “Know your Enemy”

If you were BC Hydro, don’t you think you would force the (or one of the) most crucial and critical decisions upon you when you are with the least amount of time, likely working the most or possibly the least (going on vacation) the most stressed and so on? Of course, that is EXACTLY what you would do.

 So the ’13 500′ blast was done. Why? to make you feel small, little, insignificant, solo, by yourself, like you got it wrong, that you have little or no support. To make a desperate and weak attempt at getting you to cave in.

Why? Because this is what people resort to when they have:  NOTHING!

Just think… if you were a decent human being, running an honest company, wouldn’t you do the morally responsible thing and allow people to wait after the holidays to make their CHOICE?  Or… maybe even just let them choose not to have a smart meter? OR LET THEM DECIDE IF THE WHOLE PROJECT GETS ROLLED OUT IN THE FIRST PLACE?

 So they want you to feel by yourself, and alone, isolated. The comedy in their approach is that this is EXACTLYwhere all the power is!

Now, look at the giant mess you made by knowing this!

So let’s take a look at what the possible motives are? I like scared and afraid… but you can decide. This is where this gets good… and perhaps we can see where a statement like this applies:


We happened to notice the meter reader coming up to the house today.

Before I get into this event, I want to try and let this serve as an example of a rumour that was being spread by people regarding the documents at our site. It has surfaced multiple times in emails I have seen, in chat rooms, comment boards and other places over the past 15 months our docs have been out.

People from certain groups have been saying BC Hydro feels ‘threatened’ to come onto our properties and ‘read the meters’ or ‘install meters.’ This ‘threat’ was the reason people were attributing that our documents were working while other kinds of documents (including the ones they were promoting) out there were failing, all over BC. Yes of course it is true that some of them did not get metered.

The irony of this scare tactic is that some places have not used any type of sign or documents and still have an analogue meter. Perhaps BC  Hydro felt ‘threatened’ by those people as well? We can easily see there is no logic at all to these theories. We have no reason to believe they will not persist with them, despite going on 15 months now of being proven wrong time and again.

Most of you know who these people are, but some may not.

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These are the same people saying using our documents will ‘get you on a no fly list’ that ‘they have confirmed from “sources” exists.  We had hoped that by now this type of nonsense would have ended, but it has not.

It’s seems that just about everyone wants to have you scared of BC Hydro, documents that have worked so far and so on. Many people down south for winter alerted me they were receiving these types of emails/’updates’ from people/other groups fear-mongering people using our docs.

Well when we pull back the curtain of endless scare tactics and ‘scare-alyzing’ emails we have… logic and reason.

It does not appear that anyone gets put on a ‘confirmed from sources’ no fly list, nor that anyone feels ‘threatened’ to read our meters. I am not the only one in BC who has used these documents and still gets regular meter readings. 100′s of you told us after you used the documents, BC Hydro sent lone male or female agents to ‘convince you to take the smart meter’ or lone male or female agents to read the meter(s) you have. 

Does this sound like the work of people who feel ‘threatened’?   Of course not.

We do know, since the start of this smart meter rollout, there has been what is called a ‘hot list’ regarding ‘meter holdouts’ Perhaps this is what these people are referring to what they confirmed? Who knows?

Please consider the source of information before taking it for anything more than uninformed people trying to scare you as will always be the case when you are doing something effective.

When logic and reason disappear there is something else at play.

Now, back to the meter reader:

He literally takes 2 seconds looks at the meter and is walking off.

I said “wow that was pretty quick, how did you read that so fast. I mean you’ve probably been doing this a while, I’m just curious”

So I walked down the steps and he showed me, I really don’t know what he was saying to be honest was just trying to see how he ‘was’

After he was done pointing out what is going on, I started to ask some more questions.

“How many meters are you reading today”


“Is that normal”

“It depends, like yesterday I did 126, we all have different routes so it depends”

“By we, what do you mean, how many of you are there”

“There is 5 of us”  (naturally, at 13 500 people ‘left’ this made sense, but I still asked)

“So, do you guys do Vancouver and go up North and all that”

“No, our area is from, Lillooett, to Blue Lake and around here” (meaning kamloops)

 ” I see, so you do like a full 2 months of reading meters every day”

“Yeah, pretty much full time”

 ” So how many meters do you read in that  2 month time frame”

 “A couple thousand”

“And is that the same for all 5 of you, like a couple thousand each”


 (5 X 2000 =  at least 10 000 meters being read which does not includes the rest of BC. 2000 is the low end number, of course it could be 3000 or 4000 or 2500 etc.)

“Now, what does that mean, does that include smart meters that are not ‘activated’ yet”


“How many do you have to read like that (unactivated smart meters) would you say”

“Not a lot at all”

“So would you say most of the meters you are reading are ones like this” (pointing to the analogue on the house)

“Yeah, just about all of them”


 ” If you were to estimate how many of the old meters there are still out there, how many would you say”

 “Easily 50 000, probably closer to 100 000″


 I can tell you this guy had no idea who I was, he was not lying, nor did he have any reason to.

We chatted more about how he knows that bills are going up, because people are telling him, his buddies his own bill etc. He was about my age so we just talked for a bit. 

SO… if you wanted a good way to ring in the New Year… you can think of this.

Think of how powerful it is that each of you as INDIVIDUALS acted on your OWN behalf to decide that YOU are the one to choose what will or will not happen on your house.

Who lies but someone who has something to hide?

Who scares but someone who has NOTHING TO STAND ON?

Who in their right mind needs to send out 6 or however many ‘notices’ they have now sent out to ‘scare’ people on top of all the lying and intimidation used over the last 3 years to ‘coerce’ people into consenting to their ways?

I have to admit this information made me feel very good today, I am usually pretty upbeat but this affirmed some of my and many of your thoughts out there that BC Hydro was and still is BC Lie-dro.

 I thought of this today regarding the headlines from the CBC butter BC Hydro’s bread so nicely.

“Majority of Smart Meter Holdouts BOW to BC Hydro”         was the EXACT headline

 Wow, pretty intense language huh?

What about this one:


This got me thinking about this famous quote:



I hope you enjoyed this information as much as I did hearing and writing it. It certainly feels a lot better to know we were right to be questioning their numbers all along!

I hope you are seeing that this whole thing is just a giant fraud and they have done nothing but lie from the beginning and are still doing it to this day!

Think 50 000 -100 000 people now consider that at least a conservative 50% of people do not want the smart meter they have on their home if they got one.

Think of how upset people are going to be when they get ANOTHER 9% rate hike in a couple months.

Finally, think and know, you were right, you are right, we are right. They can lie all they want, it won’t change the truth!

Of course this thing may be far from over and they may have even more tricks up their sleeves moving forward but… 

One thing is for certain, what everyone is doing against smart meters and BC Hydro is working!

Have a great day, and please pass this good news on!